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Demolitions: Don’t Pay Money; Make Money

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Every successful business person knows to solicit multiple bids from contractors. (Need help finding good contractors?) You do this to find the market price of services and to feel out the knowledge and competency of your potential help.

I’m no fool. I did the same thing with my triplex once I had a comprehensive repair list. The various estimates for my carport demolition surprised me though. They ranged from $1,000-2,500.

 

PSHH!

(if you don’t know what that means, please consultant urbandictionary)

 

We decided to complete the carport demolition ourselves, and it was one of the best decisions we’ve made so far. Granted, the demolition was spread out over several weeknights, and a contractor could have had the job finished in a day. We were perfectly ok with the delay though. The carport demolition wasn’t preventing us from renting out any units.

The best part: instead of paying a contractor over a thousand dollars, we ended up coming out ahead!

The first thing we did was throw a crowbar party! Four of my macho friends came out and competed to see who could take down the most boards as fast as possible. In retrospect, I could have charged a dollar a sledgehammer hit since they were all so amped to be the first one to take down a support beam.

Don’t believe me? Check this guy out 

After the wood was stacked, I posted an ad on craigslist for reclaimed wood. I offered it for free, and I had quite a few craftsmen come out and take a load off of my hands. This saved me from hauling debris and paying dumping fees.

The roof of the carport was made of corrugated aluminum. I also posted this on craigslist asking for people to make offers on the 26 sheets that I had. One person made an offer of $4 a sheet, if it was trailer-ready when he got there. I responded with a lower offer of $3 a sheet—with the understanding that he would be responsible for disassembling the aluminum. I also threw in an offer for free reclaimed wood, should he be interested.

Within 24 hours of him accepting my offer, the debris was gone and I was $78 richer!

 

Pros:

  • I saved money
  • I made money
  • I helped prevent debris from going into a landfill
  • I helped others find affordable materials for their projects

Cons:

  • It took longer than if I had hired a contractor
  • I had to coordinate many moving parts

 

Would I do it again? I saved money. I made money, and I had fun. You bet I would!

Hiring Contractors on Craigslist

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Kevin recently posted an interesting article about How to Find Good Contractors. I have to agree with him; networking with other landlords is the best way to find good contractors. Sometimes, these contractors think like investors. This can be helpful if you’re new to the game, like me.

We have already established that contracting cheap is not worth it for serious repairs: electrical, gas or plumbing.

My triplex needs a lot of miscellaneous work though. I need to repair the trim on doors, replace a cellar door, craft kitchen floor boards, and replace random pieces of exterior wood. This is in addition to the debris remaining from our carport demolition.

These repairs don’t require a lot of skill, but they do require time. So, it’s time for me to find some hired help. Where does a frugal, novice landlord turn?

Craigslist.

Looking for contractors on Craigslist can be efficient and cost-effective. Many people make their entire living off of Craigslist. I guarantee that you can find someone willing to do the work for the price you’re willing to pay. It’s not all flowers and sunshine though. There are just as many dishonest and unqualified people out there trying to make a dime. Here are a few rules to follow when using Craigslist to hire contractors.

  1. Do not post your phone number, email address or property address on your Craigslist post. You’re trying to save time by hiring help. Don’t waste it away answering questions to no avail.
  2. Itemize each repair requested in your post. Post pictures to reference repairs if you can. Transparency allows people to offer honest bids for the work.
  3. Sign a name to your post, but only a first name. You don’t want them to be able to look your property up if they know it’s vacant, right? *Ladies, I don’t sign my name. I use my boyfriend, Eric’s. It makes me feel less vulnerable, and Eric will most likely be on-site directing them anyway.
  4. Do not provide any information beyond what is needed. This is especially important when you’re issuing multiple posts. People who work off of Craigslist can easily piece together your information based on your signature or pictures. I posted once that I had recently purchased a truck. Someone responding to an unrelated post mentioned it. Watch out.
  5. Provide people with specific instructions to follow when responding to your post. Ask that they itemize their bid for each repair requested. At a minimum, I ask that people respond with their first and last name, phone number, whether or not I can text them, and their itemized bids. If they don’t follow directions when responding, rule them out!
  6. Call your Craigslist respondents. Ask them questions like what vehicle they drive and what tools they plan on bringing to the job. You may want to tell them you’ll call them back after speaking with the other potentials. Be discerning.
  7. If they don’t arrive at the agreed upon time, cancel and start over again. Craigslist is less dependable than Kevin’s recommendations, but it can be worth it. I get better deals when people blind bid for the work.
  8. After the work has been completed, pay the agreed upon price. Only pay your contractor for the work that has been finished. If you ask your respondents to itemize their bids, this step will be easy.

I rank my respondents based on their email professionalism and bid amounts. Good indicators are people who sell themselves a bit, people who respond with a business name and people who respond with a picture of their truck, trailer or tools. As Kevin said though, follow your gut. Be guarded with your personal information and property until you have developed a working relationship.

I will concede that buying, selling, and hiring help off of Craigslist takes time and patience. I’m a beginning investor though; all I have is time and patience.

I’m building a Rolodex from the ground up.

 

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How to Find Good Contractors

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Working with contractors is a routine part of the real estate investing business.  Something is always breaking or in need of rehab.  Plumbers, electricians, painters, HVAC, and general contractors are all folks who you will need in your investing career.

To the newbie, finding and hiring these contractors can seem daunting.  You have heard the horror stories.  You don’t want to get ripped off.  You don’t want to appear stupid.  So what to do?

First think about what you need.  You need a variety of people with various skills that can solve your repair and rehab problems quickly, at a reasonable price and without hassle.  You want someone who is reliable, because you are going to go to them again and again as problems arise.  You want to know that the job will be done and furthermore, you want it done right.

Next, follow these tips to find the people you are looking for.

  • Network With Other Landlords – This has consistently been my best source to find quality people.  Other landlords know who will do a good job at a fair price.  Plus, references will open doors.  You can meet other landlords at your local reia club.
  • Ask at Contractor Stores – Ask for references from stores frequented by contractors such as paint, lumber and home improvement stores.  Ask who is reputable.  Ask who pays their bills on time.  Most of the time someone at these stores will point you in the right direction.
  • Hang Out at Contractor Stores – Yep! Get there early when contractors are picking up materials.  Talk with folks.  Tell them what you do and what you are looking for.  Soon you will have a catalogue of business cards to call upon.
  • Talk with Friends and Family – Ask your friends and family who they have used in the past and if they liked the work.  This can be a great place to start.
  • Get Several Estimates – If you can, get several estimates on any project.  Listen to what the contractors say.  How will they do the job?  What materials will they use?  How quickly can they be completed?
  • Get References – Good contractors will be able to provide you with references.  Follow up on these.  If you can, go see some of their work.
  • Use Online Sources – Angie’s list and others rate contractors as well as many other businesses.  Make a post on Facebook asking for references.  Online sources are only going to grow in the future.  Just be careful with the reviews and don’t be attracted to the biggest ad.
  • They Purchase Their Own Materials – Remember you are an investor, not a chauffeur for contractor supplies.  If they cannot afford to get or cannot transport their own supplies, move on.  It is not worth your time.

Here are some more thoughts.

  • Do not always use the cheapest one.  Cheap is not always worth it.
  • If they do not return your call in a timely manner, don’t follow up or do what they say they will do, move on.
  • Don’t worry if they drive a nice truck.  That means they likely do a good job.
  • Realize there is trial and error involved.  You are going to have to try some to find the right one.  Do not be afraid to fire and move on.
  • Some contractors may be good today and tomorrow they flake out.  This just seems to be part of the business.  I have been through many contractors over the years.
  • What ever you do, when you are new to this or working with a contractor for the first time, use a carefully worded contract that spells out who, what, when, where, and especially how they get paid.  I will talk more about that in future posts.
  • Listen to your gut!  If something feels wrong or you are unsure about something, get more info or move on.

Finally, remember contractors are human too.  Most are out there hustling trying to do an honest days work.  They want and need your business!  They will be happy to talk and see if they can meet your needs.  Remembering this little fact can go a long way.

When Is Cheap Worth It?

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I delved into real estate investing because I thought it would save me from the misery of living paycheck-to-paycheck. I’m 2 months into my rehab and I’ve found that not much has changed yet. I’m rehabbing paycheck-to-paycheck. When I’m shopping for tools and supplies, it’s no surprise that I reach for cheap. I look for deals and I do the work myself.

Not everyone shares my sentiments concerning frugality. I bought a Husky crescent wrench and was advised to buy better tools. My plumber strongly recommended that I install a new, double-basin sink. My partner and I disagreed when I insisted on using a combination of old and new shoe molding. This isn’t how I imagined my investor persona!

I justify my frugality by telling myself that I can replace it all during my next vacancy. I need to get my second unit cash-flowing so that I can better fund repairs. I ask myself if my tenants will know the difference. This is when I turned to Kevin. I emailed him, “when is cheap NOT worth it?” This is his response:

  • When it involves gas.
  • When it involves electric.
  • When it wastes your time. You have to understand the value of your time. You may need to pay a plumber for a service call, but they will get it done right and quick. You may be able to do it, but it will take you four times as long to do it. You will have to make three trips to Home Depot to finish it.
  • Appliances! Just buy a new “used” one rather than trying to replace parts. Unless it is incredibly simple to fix, it is just not worth it. The part will cost almost as much as the replacement appliance. You will most likely order or receive the wrong part. Beware, many parts look the same but have slight differences. Trust me on this.
  • Is it really cheaper for you to do it? Don’t try to save money if it is costing you potential rent. Take a rehab for example: You do it all yourself and it takes two months. You could have had it rented at a rate of $625 per month. A contractor could have had the job done in 2 weeks for $1500. Did you really save any money?

I appreciate Kevin’s emphasis on avoiding repairs with safety implications: gas and electricity. I was considering teaching myself how to repair appliances, but I think I’ve axed the idea. For the time being though, it makes financial sense for me to most of these repairs myself. Sometimes cheap is worth it, and sometimes it’s not.

Save

  • We used the cheapest vinyl tile at Home Depot and the kitchen floor looks great. You don’t even notice the mismatched shoe molding.
  • We shopped for used cabinets. We bought unfinished cabinets and painted them. The cabinets look great.

Spend

  •  We bought the cheapest paint brushes we could find, and it was a horrible decision. The hairs fall out and get stuck in the paint. Don’t do it!
  • We paid full price for a window air conditioning unit. I never will again. I later came across two used ac units, which were three times better for a third of the price.

 

While I advocate for frugality, please don’t cut corners by sacrificing quality installation. Tenants and buyers will notice. I firmly believe going cheap should be our current strategy. We rehabbed the entire kitchen of unit 1 for less than $1,000. It looks so much better than before. I look forward to seeing it look even better than now.

Do you have any advice? When is cheap worth it and when is it not?

When to Spend on a Rehab

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Most of the properties I have bought in my investing career have been distressed.  That means that they needed work.  I am not afraid of a major rehab.  In fact, I find that properties in need of a major rehab often make the best deals.

Of course as an investor I want to maximize my return on the properties I buy, but I also realize that I intend to hold these properties for the long term.  So I have learned over the years that you can save your self some money, time and hassle by spending a bit more money on the front end.

Here is what I mean.

Kitchen and bathrooms often sell a place to a potential renter.  If these two rooms look good, not only can you generally get a bit more in rent, you will also generally get a better tenant and the property will rent faster when it comes on the market.

So, instead of linoleum on the kitchen floor, invest in square foot ceramic tiles.  Tile is almost as inexpensive as to install as linoleum but it will look so much better and last so much longer.  Linoleum flooring simply gets grimy looking and it is guaranteed to be ripped or torn by your tenants when they are moving in or out.  Why install a floor that you will have to replace every two years or so?  Go with tile.

Same goes for the bathroom.  Install tile on the floors and shower walls.  Use those same square foot ceramic tiles you put in the kitchen.  They look nice, are easier to clean and simply more durable.  They will resist the water much better than that cheap plastic stuff, and even better, they resist the mold too.

So be a smarter landlord and invest a little bit more on your rehab upfront with the kitchens and baths.  Both you and your tenants will be glad you did.

Top 5 Real Estate Investing Books

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Give a quick listen as I talk about my top 5 Real Estate Investing books.  These 5 books really helped (and still do help) me in my real estate investing career.  Then stop by the Smarter Library and order a copy for yourself.

Don’t see your favorite on the list?  Drop me a comment and let me know what your favorites are.